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AARO records on attempts to engage with Grusch (FOIA 24-F-0266)

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This FOIA release comes from the Department of Defense Freedom of Information Division. It answers request 24-F-0266 from John Greenewald of The Black Vault, and the response is dated March 21, 2024. It holds 26 partly redacted pages, including a January 8, 2024 AARO memorandum for record on repeated invitations to interview David Grusch, along with text messages, emails and authorization memos from DoD and ODNI. AARO concluded that Grusch had no intention of giving it information about his claims.

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Subject: RE: Dave Grusch
He cannot tell SASC staff ANYTHING once he entered the IG process. We are forbidden from even asking. Furthermore,
if a waived SAP is involved, he cannot talk to SASC staff about it because we are not accessed.
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Subject: RE: Dave Grusch
Tracking thanks Sean!
Subject: Re: Dave Grusch
Let me expand a bit.
I know everything he was briefed to and had access to, and have far greater access. So he did not have access to some
DoD SAP that the IC didn't have (and if he did, he could've told you). Similarly, he didn't have access to some IC CAP that
couldn't be shared. If he "found" some program, he wouldn't know who's it was unless he had super user access or
someone who did helped him look it up. He didn't. Therefore, he can't make the argument that whatever he "found"
couldn't be shared. If he or others thought it was an illegal program, then again, he can't make the argument that it
couldn't be shared with either the DoD or the IC committees based on his assertion they didn't have clearances. It
sounds very much like playing the two halves against the middle to hide something.
Subject: RE: Dave Grusch
Sean — press reports indicate that he said he could not provide everything he knows to the INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES
because they were not cleared, so I concluded that he had access to some DOD SAP that the Intel Committee are not
accessed to — and inferred that the IC IG would not have access either.
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