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This AARO FOIA release, reviewed for release on 27 March 2025, is built around a 8 January 2024 memorandum for record. The memo describes AARO's repeated efforts from June 2023 to January 2024 to interview David Grusch for its Historical Record Report. It says Grusch agreed to an interview on 14 November 2023 but did not appear, citing security concerns. The release also includes supporting emails and text messages, including exchanges with Chris Mellon, plus DoD and ODNI memos authorizing disclosures to AARO.
Kozik, David A SES OSD OUSDTo: (b)(6) INTEL & SEC (USA) (b)(6) (b)(6) From: Kirkpatrick, Sean M HOE OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM (b)(6) (b)(6) From: ' Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:56:19 PM To: "Kirkpatrick, Sean M HOE 9SD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA)" OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA)f 6 (b)(6) (b)(6) Kozik, David A SES (b)(6) (b)(6) (b)(6)(b)(6) Kozik, David A SES OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA (b)(6) Subject: RE: Dave Grusch He cannot tell SASC staff ANYTHING once he entered the IG process. We are forbidden from even asking. Furthermore, if a waived SAP is involved, he cannot talk to SASC staff about it because we are not accessed. From: (b)(6) Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:50 AM To: Kirkpatrick. Sean M HOE OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA (b)(6) Kozik, David A SES OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA) (b)(6) (b)(6) (b)(6) Subject: RE: Dave Grusch Tracking thanks Sean! Subject: Re: Dave Grusch Let me expand a bit. I know everything he was briefed to and had access to, and have far greater access. So he did not have access to some DoD SAP that the IC didn't have (and if he did, he could've told you). Similarly, he didn't have access to some IC CAP that couldn't be shared. If he "found" some program, he wouldn't know who's it was unless he had super user access or someone who did helped him look it up. He didn't. Therefore, he can't make the argument that whatever he "found" couldn't be shared. If he or others thought it was an illegal program, then again, he can't make the argument that it couldn't be shared with either the DoD or the IC committees based on his assertion they didn't have clearances. It sounds very much like playing the two halves against the middle to hide something. Subject: RE: Dave Grusch Sean — press reports indicate that he said he could not provide everything he knows to the INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES because they were not cleared, so I concluded that he had access to some DOD SAP that the Intel Committee are not accessed to — and inferred that the IC IG would not have access either. (b)(6) From: Kirkpatrick, Sean M HOE OSD OUSD INTEL & SEC (USA) Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:50 PM To 2 (b)(6) Kozik, David A SES OSD OUSD AARO FY2024 NDAA 44 U.S.C. 2107 §1843(a)(3) Page determined to be Unclassified Reviewed by Chief of Staff, AARO IAW FY24 NDAA, Section 1841(a)(1)(C) Date: 03/27/2025 032
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FOIA release, from the aaro collection. The PDF is mirrored here; the original link is above. 26 pages are in the text index: search them above, or from the library's search.